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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977-05-17 110 411 • Regular Meeting Planning and Zoning Commission May 17, 1977 CALL TO ORDER The regular meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission was called to order at 7:40 p.m. in the Council Chambers of Euless City Hall by Chairman Carl Tyson. Other members present were Messrs. Winn Porter, Troy Fuller, Neal Adams, Sam Munir, and Mrs. Lightbody. (Absent was Mr. Robert Johnson) Also present were Director of Planning and Development Rick Barnes and Recording Secretary Becky Gunter. VISITORS Visitors in attendance were Messrs. Jack Bullard, Walter A. Elliott, Byron Folse, George Brown, W. G. Ragley, Bill Byers, Glenn Walker, Frank Douglass, and Mrs. Willie Mae McCormick. INVOCATION The invocation was given by Mrs. Lightbody. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Mr. Adams made a motion to approve the minutes of the regular meeting dated May 3, 1977, as written. Mr. Porter seconded the motion and the vote is as follows: Ayes: Messrs. Adams, Porter, Tyson, Munir, and Mrs. Lightbody. Nays: None Chairman Tyson declared the motion carried. (Page Two, Regular hieviinq, Planning and Zoning Commi—aon, May 17, 1977) CONSIDER PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLATTING LOT 4, TRACT D, J. P. HALFORD ADDITION. (PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SPUR 350 SERVICE ROAD AND BYERS STREET) Mr. Elliott stated he is representing the owners of Whataburger in their request for platting of Lot 4, Tract D of the J. P. Halford Addition. The property is located at the intersection of Byers Street and the Spur 350 service road. It is a fast food service and is ready for immediate construction. All of the requirements of the City of Euless have been met. He stated that Mr. Jim Holder is not present tonight as he had to be in Atlanta. However, he will be present at the City Council meeting. Chairman Tyson read the City Engineer' s letter which is to be made a part of the minutes. Mr. Adams asked if the Whataburger will be immediately adjacent to Long John Silvers. Mr. Elliott stated it will be immediately adjacent to Long John Silvers, just North of Euless Lumber. Mr. Adams asked if there will be access from Byers Street. Mr. Elliott stated there were three entrances planned. However, the Highway Department would only allow two. Therefore, there will be an ingress/egress from Byers Street at the Southwest corner of the property and an ingress/egress from the Spur 350 service road approximately at the middle of the property. Also, there will be a fifteen foot egress only at the Northeast corner of the property. Chairman Tyson asked how far the service ramp is from the ingress/egress on the Spur 350 service road. Mr. Elliott stated it is approximately 150 to 200 feet. Mr. Adams asked if the building will be positioned on the property North to South. Mr. Elliott stated it will be. Mr. Porter asked how many people the Whataburger will seat. (Page Three, Reqular,:.etinq, Planning and Zoning Com,...;sion, May 17, 1977) Mr. Elliott stated he is not sure of the seating facilities. However, there is more parking than is required. Chairman Tyson asked if the amount of parking was based on one per one hundred feet of floor area. Mr. Barnes stated it was. The building containes 3600 square feet and has thirty-nine parking spaces. Mr. Elliott stated the building will be an A-frame building. Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Elliott if the owner knew the number of parking spaces required or did he leave this to him. Mr. Elliott stated they knew the requirements from past experience. Mr. Munir asked if a request had been made for a building permit. Mr. Barnes stated the plans have been submitted for the building permit. However, the site plan has changed and, therefore, will have to be revised before a building permit can be issued. Mr. Elliott stated the contractor, Mr. Pritchett out of Dallas, intends to get the permit Wednesday after the City Council meeting if the platting is approved. Chairman Tyson asked if there were any other questions. There were none. Mr. Munir made a motion to recommend approval of preliminary and final platting of Lot 4, Tract D, J. P. Halford Addition as presented. Mr. Adams seconded the motion and the vote is as follows: Ayes: Messrs. Munir, Adams, Porter, Tyson, and Mrs. Lightbody. Nays: None Chairman Tyson declared the motion carried. (Page Four, Regular ....etinq, Planning and Zoning Comm,.,.sion, May 17, 1977) II . OFF-STREET PARKING REGULATIONS Chairman Tyson stated that Mr. Fuller had brought to the attention of the Planning and Zoning Commission that there is not adequate parking in many of the businesses in Euless and the current parking requirements may need to be changed. He stated that Mr. Barnes has contacted several cities and made a comparison of the parking requirements which is to be made a part of the minutes. FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICE: Eating & Drinking Place Service To Auto Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Barnes what other cities other than those listed he had contacted. Mr. Barnes stated he had contacted Hurst and North Richland Hills. Chairman Tyson asked what their requirements are on an eating and drinking place with service to autos. Mr. Barnes stated an eating and drinking place with service to autos in Hurst and North Richland Hills is in the same category as retail sales which, in North Richland Hills, the requirement is one space per estimated employee plus one per 300 square feet of floor area, and in Hurst, the requirement is one parking space per 165 square feet of floor area. Chairman Tyson asked if there was anyone in the audience involved with an eating and drinking establishment with service to autos. There were none. Chairman Tyson stated the City of Euless has a minimum of twelve plus one per fifty square feet of floor area. Mr. Adams stated there will not be very much floor area as there is no inside seating. Mr. Folse stated that, according to the comparison list, Plano, Mesquite and Garland could build an establishment like Sonic without any parking spaces as there is no inside seating. However, parking would have to be provided to carry on business. (Page Five, Regular tinq Planning and Zoning Comm..;ion, May 17, 1977) Chairman Tyson stated the twelve minimum would alleviate this problem in the City of Euless. Mr. Barnes stated the cities that show only one per a certain number of seats did not have a specific category for service to auto type establishments. This was the requirement for all food and beverage establishments. Mr. Fuller arrived at approximately 8:00 p.m. Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Fuller if there was any problem with the parking at Sonic. Mr. Fuller stated the only time there is a parking problem is on Friday nights when the kids stop and visit rather than eat and leave. Chairman Tyson asked if Sonic determined the number of parking spaces per City of Euless requirements or did they know that this type of establishment needed a certain number of parking spaces. Mr. Fuller stated they have a standard of twenty-four parking spaces at all Sonic Drive-Ins. Chairman Tyson asked what the City requirement was on Sonic. Mr. Bullard stated he believes three were added to what was on the original plans. Chairman Tyson asked if the minimum requirements were met. Mr. Fuller stated the minimum require- ments were met and there is no parking problem. Mr. Bullard stated a service to auto establishment is different than other eating establishments in that if it is full , the customer will just go somewhere else. It was decided that the minimum parking requirements for eating and drinking establishments with service to autos is adequate. Eating & Drinking Place No Service To Auto Chairman Tyson asked if there was anyone in the audience with experience with eating and drinking establishments with no service to autos. (Page Six, Regular M.rcinq, Planning and Zoning Commi...•ion, May 17, 1977) Mr. Fuller stated the Steak & Ale Restaurant in Hurst was out of parking before it opened. Mr. Walker stated the Steak & Ale Restaurant in Arlington is always full and it has about forty or fifty spaces, which is about double the requirement. Mr. Byers stated the employees would need most of the forty or fifty parking spaces. Mr. Walker asked what the size is of the Steak & Ale. Mr. Elliott stated it is about 10,000 square feet. Mr. Walker stated it is probably only about 5,000 square feet. He feels the Steak & Ale probably has made arrangements to use parking at the hotel next to them. Chairman Tyson stated this would not be allowed in Euless. Mr. Brown stated it could be done, but only if a variance was granted by the Zoning Board of Adjustments. Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Elliott if he ever tells the developer the number of parking spaces required. Mr. Elliott stated that by the time he gets the plans, the architect usually has it laid out for the owner unless the highway department requires a change. The owner usually does not go to an engineering company until he is told that a building permit cannot be issued until the property is platted. Mr. Folse stated a well established firm knows the procedures and requirements. However, most of the people that come into his office do not know the requirements. Mr. Adams asked Mr. Barnes if, based on his experience in the City of Arlington, he felt the parking requirement is adequate. Mr. Barnes stated it is his personal opinion that the parking requirement for eating and drinking establishments with no service to autos is adequate. It will be much easier to determine the required number of parking spaces based on square footage rather than the number of seats. It will also be easier to enforce. It was decided that the parking requirement for eating and drinking establishments with no service to autos is adequate. (Page Seven, Reqular ..eetinq, Planning and Zoning Con„.,ssion, May 17, 1977) BUSINESS SERVICES: Bank, Savings & Loan Or Similar Institution After a lengthy discussion, it was decided that the parking requirements for banks, savings and loan, or similar institutions is adequate. A business of this type will provide adequate parking as the success of a bank or savings and loan depends on the number of customers. Medical , Dental , Clinic Or Office Mr. Folse stated there are too many fields of medical practice to have a specific parking requirement for each. Mr. Adams stated one type of doctor may see up to forty patients per day, while another may have only two per week. It was decided that the parking requirement for a medical and dental clinic or office is adequate as it is in line with the other cities and a specific requirement could not be made for each medical field. Other Office, Business Or Professional It was decided that the parking requirement for other office buildings is adequate and in line with the other cities. PERSONAL SERVICE AND RETAIL: Personal Service Shop Retail Stores And Shops ( Inside) Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Barnes what the parking requirement is in this category in Hurst and North Richland Hills. Mr. Barnes stated Hurst requires one space per 165 square feet of floor area and North Richland Hills requires one per 300 square feet of floor area. Mr. Bullard stated he sees no reason to change the parking requirement for personal service shops or retail stores. Mr. Adams stated our requirement is in line with other cities. (Page Eight, Reqular ...,eetinq, Planning and Zoning Com-.-ssion, May 17, 1977) Open Retail Sales Chairman Tyson stated he sees no reason to change the parking requirement for open retail sales as a Specific Use Permit is required and the parking can be determined at that time. Furniture Sales, Appliance Mr. Barnes stated he feels the park- ing requirement for furniture and appliance sales is too restrictive. Chairman Tyson stated furniture sales would now be in the retail sales category which requires one space per 200 square feet of floor area. Mr. Fuller asked if one per 400 square feet of floor area as is required in the other cities, would be better. Mr. Barnes stated it would be more realistic as a lot of floor area is necessary to display furniture and appliances. Chairman Tyson stated if it is determined that changes are needed, it would be best to wait and make all of the recommendations at one time. Coin Operated Laundry Or Dry Cleaning - Sales And Repair Chairman Tyson stated a coin operated laundry or dry cleaning would now be in the same category as a personal service shop which requires one space per 200 square feet of floor area. He stated he feels the Arlington requirement of one space per machine is too restrictive. Therefore, for lack of a better comparison, it was decided that the one space per 200 square feet of floor area requirement should remain. MOTOR VEHICLE AND EQUIPMENT: Service Station Chairman Tyson stated the City of Euless does not have a specific parking requirement at this time for service stations. Mr. Adams stated service stations are generally of a standard design and do not have a parking problem. (Page Nine, Regular ,.,.etinq, Planning and Zoning Comn.r,.sion, May 17, 1977) Auto Repair, Garage Or Shop Chairman Tyson stated the City of Euless requirement of five parking spaces plus one per 500 square feet of floor area over 2500 square feet is about the same as Arlington and less restrictive than Mesquite and Richardson. It was therefore, decided that the requirement remain as it is. Auto Parts And Accessory Sales Chairman Tyson stated the requirement for auto parts and accessory sales is the same as for a retail store; one space per 200 square feet of floor area. He stated Arlington is much less restrictive in their requirement of only one space per 1000 square feet of floor area. Mr. Bullard stated he feels this should be in same category as a furniture sales store with one space per 400 square feet of floor area since there is a lot of space for parts storage. Chairman Tyson stated he would agree with this if there were large parts such as fenders. However, if it is just a small parts shop, he feels the requirement of one space per 200 square feet of floor area is adequate. Mr. Munir stated that at an auto parts store, the customer probably would not be there as long as at a retail sales shop. Chairman Tyson stated there would be a problem with an auto dealer that had a retail auto parts department. Mr. Bullard stated the parking for the two departments would be figured separately. Mr. Adams stated most people going into an auto parts store know what they want and, therefore are not there very long. Chairman Tyson stated he had hoped to have input from someone in that business as to whether the parking is or is not adequate. Without this input he feels the requirement should not be changed. Mr. Fuller stated he too feels it best not to change the requirement at this time. (Page Ten, Regular M.tinq, Planning and Zoning Commi .. ion, May 17, 1977) Vehicle Or Machinery Sales Chairman Tyson stated our require- ment of one space per 1000 square feet of site area is less restrictive than Richardson and Mesquite. Without the input of someone in this depart- ment, he suggests it not be changed. Auto Laundry/Car Wash Chairman Tyson stated Euless requires twenty spaces plus one per 500 square feet of floor area over 10,000 square feet. Mr. Fuller asked what was required on the new car wash that was recently approved in the Plaza Grande Shopping Center. Mr. Elliott stated he presented the plat for approval but has not seen the layout. However, he feels it would have only the minimum twenty spaces. Mr. Fuller stated twenty seems to be too many for a car wash. Mr. Bullard stated it is. Chairman Tyson stated Arlington has the same requirement as Euless but with a minimum of ten. Mr. Fuller asked Mr. Bullard what he feels the requirement should be. Mr. Bullard stated he feels the Arlington requirement would be more reasonable. Chairman Tyson requested Mr. Barnes to research the number of parking spaces allowed at the car wash on Harwood Road and discuss this item at a later date. STORAGE, WHOLESALE, AND MFG. : Brick, Lumber Yard, Or Similar Area Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Byers for his opinion of the requirement of one space per 1000 square feet of site area. Mr. Fuller asked Mr. Byers the size of his lumber yard. Mr. Byers stated it is approximately 40,000 square feet which would require forty parking spaces. He stated he only has about twenty-five spaces. (Page Eleven, Requla,...Meetinq, Planning and Zoning CG..,.ission, May 17, 1977) Chairman Tyson asked Mr. Byers if • he feels the requirement of forty spaces would be too restrictive. Mr. Byers stated if he was to build another lumber yard, he would want at least that many, and therefore does not feel the requirement of one space per 1000 square feet of site area is too restrictive. It was decided that the minimum parking requirement for a brick or lumber yard or similar area is adequate. Open Storage Of Sand, Gravel Or Petroleum Products After a discussion, it was decided not to change the requirement of one space per 2000 square feet of site area. Warehouse And Enclosed Storage Chairman Tyson stated Euless is much more restrictive than Arlington who has a lot of warehouses. Mr. Walker stated one space per 1000 square feet of floor area is too restrictive unless this would also be the parking requirement for mini-warehouses, in which case, it should not be changed. He stated Arlington' s requirement is much more realistic for a warehouse but not a mini-warehouse. Chairman Tyson stated this item would be discussed further at a later date. Manufacturing Operations Chairman Tyson stated the parking requirement for manufacturing is the same as for a warehouse which seems unrealistic as there would be many more people involved at a manufacturing operation than at a warehouse. However, the number of employees would be impossible to determine. Mr. Walker stated his company has 148 employees and 78,000 square feet which would only require seventy-eight parking spaces. However, there are many different types of warehouses and manufacturing companies but he feels a company would provide enough parking for the employees. It was decided that the minimum parking requirement for manufacturing operations is adequate. (Page Twelve, Requla.-.Meetinq, Planning and Zoning Co.mission, May 17, 1977) Warehouses (Mini-Warehouses) Chairman Tyson requested Mr. Barnes to contact several mini-warehouse companies such as Pilgrim and Mayflower to find out the number of parking spaces they require and if they are having parking problems. Mr. Barnes stated our ordinance now requires a Specific Use Permit for mini-warehouses which would allow the Planning and Zoning Commission to establish a parking requirement at that time. However, there does need to be a guideline established. III . APPRECIATION Chairman Tyson expressed the Commission' s appreciation for the input and comments from those who attended. IV. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m. APPROVED Chairman